There were some amazing individual performances on Monday as the D-Line guys and the linebackers hit the field for drills... I'm not sure I saw an instant impact prospect that would immediately jump-start the Eagles 4-3 Defense (it's tough for a rookie linebacker to jump right into a 4-3, maybe less so for a D-lineman)...
But I'm still shaking my head in humble awe of some of the individual performers...
Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis, saw his share value rise the highest of all the D-line guys....
Poe had already established himself as the strongest man of the combine Sunday when he posted 44 bench press reps. Then on Monday, when D-linemen hit the field to work out at Lucas Oil Stadium, Poe turned some heads with an unreal unofficial 40-yard dash time of 4.87 seconds.
His official time turned out to be 4.98. Still, the man weighs 346 pounds... He’s not supposed to be able to outrun guys who are 100 pounds lighter.
Poe’s time is right on par with that of Ndamukong Suh, who was a similar stand-out two years ago at the combine before the Lions drafted him with the No. 2 overall pick. Poe wasn’t expected to be the first defensive tackle taken in the draft before the combine. But after that 40 time and a strong showing in drills, he’s definitely given Eagles personnel management something to think about.
How did Luke Kuechly do in the LB event rankings? Overall he posted solid numbers...but still the nagging doubt remains if he really can take charge of the middle in a 4-3 Eagles defense...
I kept my eye on Luke since he is still showing up on the first round ballots of a lot of mock drafters... Here's his cumulative event numbers:
40-yard dash.... 4.58 seconds
bench press..... 27 reps
vertical jump..... 38 inches
broad jump........123 inches (10 feet, 3 inches)
3-cone drill.........6.92 seconds
20-yard shuttle...4.12 seconds
60-yard shuttle...11.43 seconds
By the way, Luke's measurements came out at 6-3 in height, 31-inch arm length, 242 pounds weight, and 9.75-inch hand size.
So Luke wasn't the fastest or the strongest LB out there, but he had a nice combination showing. I can see how many pro analysts come out of this week convinced that Kuechly is more of an athlete than given credit for. A tackling and QB-disruptive machine throughout his college career, Kuechly is widely thought to have all the tools to be an immediate starter in the NFL and shore up the middle of an entire defense. The major knock on Kuechly is that he had a lot of "inflated" tackle production throughout his career, the idea being that he is indeed a superb tackler but most of those tackles came 5 to 8 yards downfield in pursuit. He didn't get up into the line of scrimmage to make powerful, impactful plays much, and won't be relied upon as a pass rusher at the next level and is strictly a tackling, sideline-to-sideline backer.
I'll put up some more comparative numbers for the top DL and LB performers at the end of this day. But first, I found it amusing to have stumbled upon this little quote from Wes Welker only hours after I had genuinely mused to Jerky and Boner and Spiffo in the Comments section here that "somewhere out there is a guy who's eating his heart out because he wasn't invited to the Combine...and he will become a great player, but right now he's the only one who knows it..."
Sure enough I run into this little gem by Dan Hanzus of NFL.com: "Welker, once snubbed by Combine, now calls it "a waste of time"...
"First day of watching the combine. What a waste of time! Just watch the film."---so tweeted Wes Welker to Mike Mayock during the NFLN broadcast on Monday.
The NFL Network shouldn't take this personally, as Dan Hanzus points out. Surely, Wes is referring to the idea of the combine, an event he wasn't invited to after graduating from Texas Tech in 2004. Welker has earned the right to make such a critique. The receiver is edging into Hall of Fame territory, despite going undrafted and unnoticed before catching on with the Chargers as a special teams player. He's averaged 111 catches during his five seasons with the Patriots, proving definitively you don't need to shine in the combine or have extraordinary measurables to become a star.
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Here are some more updates on the top performers for D-Line and Linebackers on Monday:
Monday’s workouts at the NFL Combine showcased defensive linemen and linebackers. The two position groups showed off an impressive combination of size and speed, highlighted by West Virginia’s Bruce Irvin and Arkansas State’s Demario Davis.
Monday was when the meat-and-potatoes players on defense showcase their abilities. The linebackers and defensive linemen hit the field in Indianapolis and for some of the biggest and strongest players available in the draft, there was no lack of impressive athleticism and talent.
With the Eagles facing two decisions on their defensive line in Juqua Parker and Brandon Graham, defensive end could be a position for the Eagles to consider in the 2nd round. However, the talent is deep and many teams are looking for strong pass rushers, so some of the top talent won’t be available for Philly with their first pick in the second round.
Vinny Curry from Marshall built a reputation heading into the Combine as one of the best pass rushers in the nation, but some of his performances on Monday left scouts wondering a little. His 4.85 "40" time was disappointing to most, and many describe his positional workouts as lacking. He’s listed as a second-round prospect and his Combine performance could cause him to slide down the second round some. His game film shows a disruptive player that has produced in game-time reality, so hard decisions will have to be made on him. One notable workout for Curry from Monday was his three-cone drill... He finished in the top-five with a 6.90, showing some of his explosive change-of-direction ability.
Bruce Irvin from West Virginia wowed everyone in attendance on Monday with his complete workout. The 6-foot-3, 245-pound outside linebacker/defensive end blazed a 4.43 40 on his second run after posting a 4.5 in his first. His three-cone and shuttle drill times were tops in his category and his vertical and broad jump distances were in the top-10. Scouts saw explosion and burst and were pleased with how he handled himself in linebacker drills as well. He’s an intriguing prospect with a potential future as a situational pass rusher with immediacy, but may have a learning curve.
Nebraska’s Jared Crick struggled with injuries during his senior season and some of that may have been lingering on Monday. Scouts weren’t pleased with his fluidity, he looked stiff in positional drills and his 4.94 "40" wasn’t particularly impressive. Additionally, some are concerned about what they believe are shorter-than-normal arms for a defensive end. Crick has some versatility in his game though. Many believe he can be a defensive end in both a 4-3 or 3-4 system.
A middle-round linebacker is never a bad idea for depth and special teams consideration with the hopes of developing him into a potential starter. While the Eagles appear only mildly satisfactory at linebacker, a player that fits the profile for Philly is California’s Mychal Kendricks. His 4.47 "40" was tops among the linebackers, and his production and urgency on the field of play is encouraging for his future. He’s considered a little undersized at 5-foot-11, 239 pounds, but has been relatively durable. He’s also got experience playing inside and outside at linebacker.
A small-school player that impressed on Monday was Arkansas State linebacker Demario Davis. He’s projected as a late-round pick, but that may begin to improve. His "40" time was 4.61, good for fourth among linebackers, and his vertical and broad jumps were second among the position. He’s well-built at 6-foot-3, 230 pounds and plays with an explosive style and nastiness. Many believe he’s versatile enough for the inside or the outside at linebacker and might be one of the biggest sleepers at the position in the draft.
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Mr Sunbutts - you win - I can no longer afford the gas.
However - I do have a request of you......
Since Mr Bri has morphed into bri Ver12.0 and is no longer available 24/7 to me - I'm looking for a leg to hump.
Do you have nice legs?
Blas))) Janoris goes in the first......I will be concerned about his concentration with his 4 kids in the background
Just watched the Rich Eisen run. He called himself the Brinjamin Button of the combine....................so's I guess Bri is out of a job.
Mayock loving on MY boy Hosley !!!
If we trade Asante,...I say take that pick you get for him, and swap it right back in for Whoresly !!!!
Did I mention,...HE"S MY BOY !
Here's one for you Dutch. You got me remembering that car....
Raced a 440 GTX one night on Deleware Ave - the guy destroyed me!
Do they still do all of that street racing down around the warehouses? Used to be literally thousands of people - cops would come - everybody would mve a few blocks andstart all over again - they's finally open up th fire hydrants - time to go home. THere were some really seroius cars there!
@Palm Feathers Don't know personally about the Philly scene. heard it was wild though. Know a small bit about Pottstown. Friend of mine with a Yenko Camaro used to go down there to race. Was the top dog in my hometown for a long time..............really fast car 11.73 in the 1/4. Allentown had a lot of action................but the real wild stuff went on in New York.
Hey Jerky............what did you think of the Daytona 500? Was that wild or what? Thought they were going to have to serve Bar-B-Qed Columbian...............and no I ain't talking about weed!!!!!!
Hey Dutch - I just noticed your avitar. I had one of those - new - drove it right out of Reedman's. Got it just after I got out of the Army. As I remember I paid around $3300.00 for it.
@Palm Feathers Reedmans. Well known for being a Hi-perf specialist. What Engine?
@Palm Feathers The one in the Avi was restored by me and sold this spring. Two more waiting in the wings......a 454 360 Horseepower coupe in Autumn Gold, and a Cranberry Red 454-450 Horsepower El Camino.
@Palm Feathers Oh, and yeah..........it's the LS-6 . Highest horsepower made in the period. Will absolutly boil the tires off if you want, and can afford.
@Palm Feathers Yeah...............it really likes fuel. And with a 4:10 rear and rock crusher............you bet it likes fuel. And previous owner put chambered exhaust on it......really loud!!!!! I don't drive it a lot, but a fun ride for sure!!!!!
ohhhh - I remember that real big HP motor LS - something, 6 or 7 I think?
Good luck keeping that puppy fed.
It was a 454 but an automatic. I can't walk and chew gum. Couldn't wait to get rid of it when gas went to $0.55 cents a gallon in '73. Nice car though - dark marroon with white stripes, white interior and about 5 miles per gallon.
@Palm Feathers 73 Furd? Ugggh!!!! I'm sorry for ya that you had to endure that.
That thing did have some umpfff when you hit the pedal. Was a real hit at the McDonald's and stuff. Nicer to look at than own TBT (that means truth be told - right?) You guys are making me so cool !
Sold it and bought a 1973 Furd.
@Palm Feathers That color of yours was called Black Cherry in the sales lit............my fav color. Nice car. Too bad you did not keep it but nobody had the crystal ball to know what they would be worth today. And as the gas went up, the prices went down, and most were sold or scrapped. Oh, if I only would have known!!!!!!
Hmmmmmmmm...Jets give BART permission to seek a trade....and I though Ruud would be the only decent FA...Hhhmmmmmm
Nah...He'd wanna stay in a 3-4 methinks... @tboned208
@Blasphemizer Early second I'm thinkin', might be gone before our first pick in the 2nd...
@Palm Feathers @Blasphemizer Not only arrested for pot, several times..which I could ignore...........but resisted arrest, and was tazed by cops. The reason he was fighting? Claimed sombody was trying to steal the gold chain around his neck. If that was the reason, why not stop when the cops arrive? It was his second time arrested for fighting. He just sounds like a big risk to me.............but what do I know? Only got what I read in the papers.
well - yeah I get that but what's he like now?
Don't all gang up but just like with the politicians - do you want an 'angel' or someone that can kick butt and lead us; within reason > a little attitude and kick-*** might go a long way
- like "he who's name shall not be spoken".
@Palm Feathers I've done it a few times., it never helps out any....
Was bad enough to get him dismissed from the Florida team... @Palm Feathers
@Blasphemizer I don't think I care. I don't want that knucklehead. Let em go to Cleve, Cincinatti, or one of the other teams who like hoods.
You know sometimes I think people forget too easily that we took one of the biggest risks you could take character-concern-wise when we picked up MV7...And that worked out pretty well... @dutchrubb
@Blasphemizer Well, lets hope if the F.O thinks about it.................they get the whole truth first.
Neither would I, but if I could get Janoris in the third...I might think about it... @dutchrubb
@Blasphemizer I have not really been looking at cornerbacks. Might give that a try next. Don't think I would go with one in the first two rounds at least.
Okay...who's a guy you like?... @dutchrubb
@Blasphemizer Yeah, and I understand that, but would rather look for other options. It's not as though the Vick experiment was not without it's challenges.....and we could not say the book on him is complete yet. Only if we actually get somewhere in the next two years could we say it was really worth it. I just would rather look for last years Free Agent cornerback's replacement elswhere than a troubled rook. That may just be me. And I am sure we did not get the whole story. Just hope the scouts do their job before taking that chance.
His level of talent WOULD be relatively cheap for the place we could get him at...He was a top 10 pick before he effed up...Vick went to jail for eff's sake...That's a MUCH bigger risk than this kid...And good QBs may be hard to find, but in our minds we already had 2 good ones when we picked up Vick...CB is easily the 2nd or 3rd most important position...Asante may be traded and DRC is a big ?...Not to mention Aso wasn't all wonderful last year...I'm NOT saying let's definitely pick this guy...I'm merely poking around... @dutchrubb
@Blasphemizer Yeah..........not forgetting that at all. How many times you wanna tempt fate? Also, good QB's a lot harder to find than good corners.........specially one who is only a rook and is not proven. With Vick, we got him cheap at first and rolled the dice. So why stick our necks out on a rook who may be a bust anyways at a position we have other options?