If Eagles finish at 8-8, where do you stand on "carryover" theory for 2012...?

Written by Thomas Jackson on .

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The buzzword in Philly right now is "carryover"... as in carryover effect from the Eagles' shot at a 4-game win streak to end the 2011 season at 8-8 may indicate they will only start stronger and faster in 2012.

This "carryover" theory has so many variables and algorithms inherent in it that I just don't know what to make of it. Sure, there have been teams in NFL history that "got it right" at the end of a bad season and went on to have a very nice new year. Then there are teams like the 1971 Eagles who, at 6-7-1, won 4 of their last 5 games that year... then went 2-11-1 in 1972.

Trend anlysis in the NFL to identify mediocrity blossoming into greatness based on a season-ending win streak is a tricky business.

Local writers with great credentials like Eagles.com's Bo Wulf are believers in the "carryover" effect for the Eagles, especially if the Birds can close out 2011 with a win over the Redskins at home. He has a nice piece with supporting quotes for the theory from players like DeSean Jackson, Nnamdi Asomugha and others of note.

Meanwhile, Phil Sheridan of Philly.com does not believe in the carryover theory:

"As for carryover to 2012, forget about it. There's no such thing in the NFL....Reid will try to sell this as a rebuilding season. That's what he did last year after the team unraveled. Will his bosses, Jeff Lurie and Joe Banner, buy that? If they do, they will be kidding themselves."

"The Eagles have won three in a row, including Saturday's 20-7 victory in Dallas. The self-kidders will point to that, along with next week's likely win against Washington, as proof that Reid got this team fixed. They will suggest that this strong finish will carry over to next year. They will be wrong."

"This streak started with a win over Matt Moore and a fried Miami team. There was a quality win against the Jets mixed in, but we're not talking about beating New England or Green Bay or New Orleans here."

Sheridan makes a point to counter Bo Wulf's argument that all the Eagles need for a great 2012 season is a few tweaks, several new players to replace departing ones and a sense of renewed belief and support in the current coaching staff.

Sheridan put it to a vote on his CBS Philly.com poll page. Here's how the results turned out:

After missing the playoffs, what kind of changes do the Eagles need to make in the offseason?
A. Big Changes...a roster overhaul is needed.         ---  620 votes =  9.6 %
B. Moderate Changes... some key new players       --- 2494 votes = 38.7 %
C. Minimal Changes...go with "carryover" effect      --- 1469 votes = 22.8 %
D. Change coaching staff, keep players                 --- 1882 votes = 29.2 %

Total votes as of 12/25/11:  6465

It's interesting to look at that poll and actually see an overlap variable or metric that's missing... in other words, a "some of each" or "all of the above" type of response is not included in the poll choices.

But Sheridan's poll is still the best illustration I've found so far of the diversity of outlook on the Eagles' current winning streak. 

I'm still weighing the implications. And I'm looking forward to our Smart Phan's thoughts on "carryover" theory... I probably won't make my judgement on which way the Eagles should go (or whether "carryover" is something I can buy into) until I review all your Smart Phan comments...and until the King of All Metrics weighs in after his prolonged holiday meditation (which is an annual retreat for Brizer):

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Deep in reflection in his man cave in the Brizer mansion, our former GK enjoys spiritual rejuvenation...and will soon emerge with a metric response to the "carryover" theory... when the mood strikes him. Carry on...



295 comments
fieldsr69
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Dan Marino would throw for 6,500 yards in today's NFL. I would love to see Jim Kelly's kgun offense in the modem NFL.

Blasphemizer
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Wow, I thought for sure that the Sixers would heat up in the 4th...no dice...Cold start to the season...

TheGreatJB99
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I ahve decided to go downtown tomorrow... and have my name changed from Tyronivoskibron O'Sullivan... to... Ocho World Peace.

TheGreatJB99
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Elton Brand! Thats my boy! My fav 76'er since The Great Derrick Coleman.

Blasphemizer
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Every time we pull in close we start playing dumb...

TheGreatJB99
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76'ers should have taken Cousins. He's awesome.

TheGreatJB99
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I'm having trouble not watching the LA/Sac game.

Jimmer!

And also I keep laughing when the announcers say stuff like... "I would expect to see World Peace get off the bench soon."

Blasphemizer
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These Portland commentators bitch about EVERYTHING...

TheGreatJB99
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I thought Camby retired recently.

TheGreatJB99
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Another thing about Hyundai: They have that kinda cute girl that sings with that awful accent that sounds country... but a fake country. I wanna tag that girl.

Blasphemizer
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I thought she was cute too...I consider muting the commercial every time that I see it, though... @TheGreatJB99

TheGreatJB99
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I forgot they are showing league pass for free for a cxouple of weeks. Wartching it now.

Blasphemizer
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Blazers are sharp tonight...we need to be sharper...Down 66-56...

TheGreatJB99
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Cecil B Demented Fielder))) Ha! So you know squirters too!

Oddly enough... I have seen quite a few squirters. More than my share for sure. That said... they really don't bother me that much. I just bring an umbrella and lots of that plastic you cover furniture with when you paint. There are no problems.

fieldsr69
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@TheGreatJB99 lol it wasn't the squirting that scared me away, I consider that to be a positivve trait in a vagina. It was that I could fist her with ease. The cavern that is her vagina just got boring.

Blasphemizer
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Second half begins now, motherfuckers...Who's watching with me?...Lezzgo Sixers! c-c...c-c-c!...Lezzgo Sixers! c-c...c-c-c!...

Blasphemizer
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After Dirst half, roundball team down 48-44...I anticipate the D will be stingier in the 2nd half...

fieldsr69
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Damn, there are so few topics that I am truly well versed in, strip clubs are one of them, and I miss the convo. Damn.

Blasphemizer
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Final minutes of the third...Nawlins 31, Falcs 13...

Blasphemizer
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Giving Crawford too much real estate...Lou Will's scoring is really keeping us in this...

Tom Jackson
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I like 66 game-season better than 82-game season... seems like these guys are playing harder knowing each game means more... or am I just seeing what I want to see?

Blasphemizer
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Defense is tightening up...Hawes seems steady in the middle...Drawing some fouls on the offensive end...

Blasphemizer
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Depth showing up...Lou Will is making sweet music in the lane...

Blasphemizer
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Bad first quarter of the season for the roundball team...Gotta be more disciplined on the glass...Evan Turner: Make your damned free throws!...

Blasphemizer
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Lezzgo Sixers! c-c...c-c-c!...Lezzgo Sixers! c-c...c-c-c!...

Blasphemizer
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You have quite a bit of effin' class...*snicker, snicker*...

Tom Jackson
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That story makes me hungry for McDonalds...

TheGreatJB99
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Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudler))) I never liked scrip clubs. Always felt weird to me. That said... I have a acouple of pals that live in scrip clubs. So... I could tell you many a story. Including this lovely tale of love and liquid.

One time... we go to a scrip club during the day. I don't ever give scrippers money... and when they ask why I don't want a dance... I tell them I'm gay. That always drives them into a frenzy... and it becomes a competition to see which one can get my $20. Anyways... there was this hot blond. Real cute. Had some chub.. or "baby fat" as I like to call it. Anyways... I finally told her I was about to leave... and she said she was about to get off. As stated earlier... I read that situation in the blink of an eye. No stripper tells you shes about to.... get off.... work... unless she wants to do something with you. So I asked if she was hungry and if she wanted to get something to eat. My pals weren't ready to go so I borrowed my pals mustang. To make a long story short... we left together and I bought her Mcdonalds(no joke... thats what she wanted) and then drove her home. She lived in a weekly hotel(can't make that up)... and when we got in the parking lot... I jumped her bones. In about 30 secs... she was completely naked... and drooling on my yenis. So I reached over and started to give her the finger.... then 2,,,, then 3... then finally my whole hand slid up in there. No joke. I could even make a fist up in there. It was like a football field. I could not however... make a fist then pull it out.... for those who are wondering. Anyways... I slammed my fingers and fist up in there until she started to scream... and then she squirted a long line of love juice all over the car. I was waaaay to startled to spooge... so I just kind of ended it and she got out. Next day... my pal comes over and picks me up in that same mustang.... and the very first thing he says is... "Not sure what you did in my car yesteday... put what the ef is in my cup holder?" I leaned over to take a gander... and sure enough... that girls squirt had landed in my buddies cup holder and was still there.

Scrippers aint all they are made up to be.... in The Great JB99's opinion.

fieldsr69
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@TheGreatJB99 I can't possibly like that story enough to truly convey just how much I enjoyed it. I broke up with an otherwise awesome girl because she had that exact same....talent. it just stopped being fun. After like 6 months.

Tom Jackson
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@TheGreatJB99

That's a JB Classic ! Thank you for that, sir...

Tom Jackson
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@TheGreatJB99

We study Life here... Football is part of Life... and so are Scrip Clubs. So it is written...to educate and entertain... a classic Life Lesson from the one and only JB...

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